Recent MLM Developments You Should Know (Update 4/10/2017*)

[Editor’s Note: Le-Vel tried to sue me for the article below… AND I WON! The court’s decision is here. Their conclusion states, “We decide in [Lazy Man’s] favor on his first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and tenth issues. We need not reach [Lazy Man’s] eighth and ninth issues.”

The court also ruled that Le-Vel must pay sanctions, which in my understanding, is money they have to pay for bad behavior with their lawsuit. Score one for this blogger who was only giving his opinion on a reader’s question.

I have provided this information so that you can make an informed decision. I encourage everyone to look for sources that are not influenced by Le-Vel’s money.]

About 6 weeks ago, regular reader Jason wrote me:

“[My neighbor] has started this ‘Thrive’ regiment with a patch, a pill, and perhaps some other lifestyle changes, and posts daily pictures of herself on Facebook to ‘document’ her progress with weight-loss. To me, this looks to be just another one of the plethora of scams and schemes out there. What do you know about this ‘company’? Perhaps you’ve already written articles on it that I wasn’t aware of. If not… perhaps this could be one to look into and write about for future articles.

So let’s dig in and see what we can learn about Le-vel Thrive.

THRIVE Premium Lifestyle DFT™ Patch

The aforementioned Talking Points Memo article gives an introduction to the Thrive patch. It is as good a place to start as any:

“After a week of wearing the Thrive nutritional patch, Denise Holbrook discovered what seemed like superhuman strength. When her husband fainted outside of a hospital, she caught him. ‘How the hell am I holding up a 200-pound man by myself?’ she remembers thinking… In a post, she announced that she thought it would be selfish not to share the supplement, considering it had allowed her to stop taking anti-anxiety medication and stay awake after sleepless nights amid her husband’s deterioration.”

Still, few dietary supplements have the kind of negative reviews that Thrive does, and many have been evaluated with much more thoroughness by the scientific community. (Q Sciences, for instance, claims its products are backed by research at 15 universities.) So why do distributors choose Thrive, in spite of so many stories about sketchy side effects?

When pressed by the author, Denise Holbrook said, “It’s a lot of mind-over-matter.”

That’s just the stuff from the first quote block. The second quote block highlights the bad reputation Thrive has. The ensuing quote about it being “mind-over-matter” seems to suggest that the Thrive Patch may be the same as the Dove Beauty Patch:

If you intend to watch the video do it now, because I’m going to give some spoilers.

It turns out that the Dove Beauty Patch has no ingredients. Yet all the women were going on and on about how “life altering” the patch was and that they’d buy it. You can see their reactions on the Today Show as well.

Thrive’s website about the patch says: “The DFT™ formula supports the metabolic rate, promoting clean and healthy weight management without aiding in muscle breakdown or deterioration – like a majority of weight loss products available.”

“Lose weight with our miracle diet patch or cream! You’ve seen the ads for diet patches or creams that claim to melt away the pounds. Don’t believe them. There’s nothing you can wear or apply to your skin that will cause you to lose weight.”

So don’t take my word for it, take the FTC’s.

The same Thrive website says, “Our all natural nutritional formula, combined with our DFT™ delivery system, infuses the derma (skin) with a THRIVE Lifestyle Formula, different than the Capsule & Shake formula. The result is a time released delivery and absorption rate superior to most consumable products.”

However, according to this Wall Street Journal article, you can’t really know if a patch is working without well-designed clinical trials. From a logical standpoint, I know ketchup is getting in my system when I eat it. A ketchup patch? Well, my confidence level in that is close to zero.

Of course, the patch alone would be too easy. Thrive website says, “Individuals using the THRIVE Premium DFT™, in conjunction with THRIVE Premium Lifestyle Capsule™, THRIVE Premium Lifestyle Shake Mix™, and the THRIVE 8 Week Experience™, will experience ultra premium results, unrivaled in regards to Nutrition, Weight Management, and Fitness.”

So let’s look at the Thrive Capsule and Thrive Shake Mix

What is the THRIVE Premium Lifestyle Capsule™?

Le-vel’s website on THRIVE M (the men’s capsule) says, “THRIVE M is a premium formula and a premium approach to your daily lifestyle. Developed from years of experience, science, and perfecting, THRIVE M is the only premium lifestyle capsule of its kind.”

For those keeping track that’s SEVEN uses of the word “premium” in only THREE quoted sentences (going back to the last heading). Someone get Le-vel a thesaurus. It’s easy to call something premium, but that doesn’t make it so.

Thrive M is essentially a multivitamin with a proprietary blend of ingredients which you can see here. The vitamins and minerals are unexciting. With only 11 vitamins and minerals with an RDA daily value, you can do better with many other products. They don’t even put vitamin C or vitamin E in it. You can do much better with Kirkland Signature Daily Multi Vitamins & Minerals Tablets (which provides more than 100% of each).

That Kirkland vitamin & minerals costs around 3 cents a pill (at the time of article publishing). For a full year it would cost $12.45.

So it appears you can spend $12.45 a year for a complete multivitamin or you can spend $760.42 a year for an incomplete one.

Reflect on that for a moment. You can pay more than 50 times more money and get less value by going with Le-vel’s product.

A strong case could be made that you shouldn’t buy either product. However, if you are going to buy one, the choice should be very obvious. I’d rather spend $12 over $760 any day.

I’m not being entirely fair in this comparison. Thrive M has a proprietary blend in addition to vitamins and minerals. Actually in fairness the Kirkland vitamins do as well (Ginseng at least from the description).

The problem with proprietary blends is that you don’t know how much of what you are getting. This isn’t like the Colonel’s secret recipe or Coca-cola’s recipe that are meant to taste good. This is your health. You should know what you are paying for. However, even if you knew how much you were getting of the ingredients, they may not benefit you. I didn’t see much in the proprietary formula that had the science behind it to show the FDA it had real benefits. That’s a list of approved health claims from supplements.

What is the Thrive Premium Lifestyle Mix™?

Thrive’s marketing of the mix shouldn’t surprise anyone: “THRIVE Mix, combined daily with the THRIVE Capsules and DFT™, completes a premium lifestyle, and a premium you.” I guess they had a few more “premium” mentions in there to get off their chest.

Thrive seems to want you to buy all three products. Fortunately the shake has many of the vitamins and minerals that were missing from the multivitamin above. Or should I say unfortunately, because then you have to buy two products to make up the void in one… and you still aren’t getting much vitamin C and vitamin E.

On Amazon, Thrive Premium Shake Mix costs $45 for 16 servings. That’s $2.81 a serving. That’s really, really expensive for a shake. You could get Spiru-Tein Shake which is about a dollar a serving and has many, many glowing reviews. It might not seem like much, but it is the difference between spending more than $1000 a year on a shake or $350. How many other articles have you read today that saved you $650 a year?

MLMs love shakes and it is easy to understand why. Supplement protein, fiber, and multivitamins are extremely cheap. You can get 24 grams of protein with Optimum Nutrition Whey Protein. At $0.77 a serving and nearly 10,000 awesome reviews on Amazon it seems to be a great value… especially considering that Thrive only has 15 grams of protein. For fiber, you can buy this Benefiber (switch to the 500 gram size). At $20, you’ll get 500 servings of 3 grams of fiber (1500 grams total). The 5 grams of fiber in Thrive shakes would cost you 6.6 cents (we’ll round up to $0.07).

Finally, there’s Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men Supplement. I can currently buy 240 pills (80 servings) for $22.88 (my Subscribe and Save price) or $0.36 a serving. Opti-Men seems to blow away the vitamins and minerals in both of Thrive’s mix and the capsules put together. It even includes it’s own proprietary blend, just in case Thrive supporters wanted to play the card that there’s other stuff of value in the products.

Between the three products, you’d spend less than a dollar a day to replace about $5 a day of Thrive shake and capsules. That saves you around $1200 a year. Add in the savings of avoiding the patch and it’s nearly $2000 in your pocket every year!

What others are saying

In an effort to provide you with the best information, here are a couple of other sources worth reading.

Truth in Advertising is one of my favorite websites because they, like me, highlight the bits of misleading marketing that consumers should be aware of. The non-profit is truly one of the great unbiased organizations out there looking out for consumer’s best interests.

They’ve twice written about Le-Vel Thrive and each is a great resource:

Registered Dietitian Abby Langer

“The greatest branding can’t hide a faulty product, even if you declare that product as ‘premium’… One thing I think you should know is that there has never been any research done to verify that THRIVE works… Wherever they came from, testimonials are really not worth the paper (or computer) they’re written on. What’s really worth something is some good solid research on the product. Search high and low, but you won’t find any on THRIVE. There is none…

I’m not sure what all natural, clean, and healthy weight management is, but congratulations to Thrive for using three huge, completely meaningless nutrition buzzwords in one paragraph! What a feat!…

So THRIVE’s claim is essentially meaningless…

I mean, if I was gullible and not well-versed in science, they might convince me to spend tons of money using this upselling, ‘go hard or go home’ tactic. But me being who I am, I just get a headache looking at the relentless ‘convince you to spend more and more of your money to get an even better result’ BS on the site.

Thrive’s Forslean® is basically a herb called Coleus Forskohlii, which has not been shown in any reputable studies to cause weight loss… What they’ve basically done is throw a bunch of ingredients together… But none of this evidence has been studied in trials using a patch delivery system. And neither has Thrive. Oh, I already said that. Just checking that you get that..no evidence!

The THRIVE shake is super low in calories and I can’t find anything in it of any value. What’s it’s purpose, anyways? I can’t figure it out. Eat real food.

There is really no compelling evidence that any of the ingredients in THRIVE cause weight loss.”

It’s tempting to quote the whole article, but I think this covers most of it sufficiently. I can see why Abby Langer writes for the Huffington Post with such great insight.

Iron Beaver Fitness writes: Scam DuJour: Thrive by Le-Vel. One of my favorite quotes is at the beginning when they quote Le-Vel’s website and come to the conclusion that the product is irrelevant:

“Le-Vel was created and envisioned with a greater purpose, a premium plan. This plan is not to create a product, or a product line, but to build a global brand, a new icon.” – Le-vel’s website (https://le-vel.com/brand/philosophy)

Le-Vel seems to have threatened them with a lawsuit for hosting images of the products ingredients. Clearly an editorial is allowed to display such images by fair use, but it doesn’t stop Le-Vel from attempting to sue them.

Plant City Observer has an article on Le-Vel Thrive titled “Don’t waste your money on fitness fallacies.” Here are some notable quotes from sports editor Justin Kline:

“After spending part of my last summer in college convincing a roommate that his Vemma energy drinks were part of an illegal pyramid scheme (which was actually proven to be true last year), I thought I was in the clear. But on Friday, a good friend hit me up about some energy patches… A quick Google search will tell you that these patches are part of the THRIVE eight-week fitness system, an initiative of the Le-Vel company. And a quick look at the Le-Vel website shows that it’s a similar kind of multi-level marketing company that Vemma was sold through.

Add in the fact that you’re buying product for yourself, as well as to sell to others, and that these companies often ask you to travel and buy tickets to conferences, and you could easily end up losing more money than you make.

But, this isn’t a business column. The other reason I can’t stand things like this is because the science behind them often disproves them. Essentially, there’s a chance that you’re losing money on simple bandage patches, glorified Saran wrap and smoothies you could make from the grass in your back yard.”

Recent MLM Developments You Should Know (Update 4/10/2017*)

I believe that anyone considering a “business opportunity”, should spend a few hours of research. I think these are two great areas to research:

1. Must Watch: A Humorous, Detailed Analysis on MLM

HBO’s John Oliver covers MLM in great detail.

In my opinion, it’s a tremendous read for any potential customers, but I believe no one should be allowed to sign up as a distributor without viewing this video and signing a disclosure form that they did:

There’s a specific Le-Vel mention in that video. I don’t think you want to miss it.

(Full Disclosure: I wrote this article long before HBO decided to cover Le-Vel. HBO’s and their shows’ network’s opinions are obviously their own, but I do agree with the video cited here.)

Another view of the FTC on MLMs

The FTC Chairwoman recently gave some guidance to MLMs. I think it’s important information for anyone considering joining an MLM. View the FTC guidance here. It is a little technical, because I believe the audience is MLM companies.

I believe you should ask any sponsor to provide you with a written statement on how that company complies with the FTC guidance. I don’t believe it should come from a sponsor, unless it is officially endorsed by the MLM company and the exact language is clearly disclosed on their website. A salesman trying to get you to join may say that they are clearly in compliance with that guidance, but I believe you should have the whole company agreeing to the FTC guidance.

If the company (as opposed to a distributor) doesn’t state a notice of compliance in prominent view with that FTC guidance, I would personally walk away.

But What About the Business of Le-Vel?

Le-vel has a “refer 2 and you get yours for free” program. Given the financial information above, it seems to me that it is like convincing two people to buy a Honda Civic for $100,000 so that you can yours for free. Any company would happily do that because they are sending out $60K worth of cars to bring in $200,000 in cash.

This encourages people to throw two people under the bus financially to get free product for themselves. I think that’s pretty selfish.

These kinds of programs highlight how overpriced the products are. Obviously the company couldn’t stay in business giving it away for free.

The rest of the Le-vel compensation plan looks like every other MLM/pyramid scheme that I’ve covered. There’s the requirement to be Qualified and Active, which means that you have to buy product yourself or sell enough of it each month. As mentioned above, the pricing is banana pants crazy, which is one of a few reasons why no one would buy a MLM product from you. That means you are typically going to be left paying for itself, which makes it look like a Pay to Play scheme.

Le-vel seems to have the same car “bonus” as other MLMs. The specifics of the car bonus are left out of the compensation brochure. Typically an MLM company requires you to get a lease in your name and reimburses you as long as you maintain the level. However, as many ViSalus distributors found out, when the pyramid implodes they are left with an expensive lease in their name, no bonus from the company, and little income from the business. It’s a path to financial ruin

However, the most insane part of the Le-vel “reward” plan is the Waiting Room which you can find at the bottom of this PDF. You can place newly recruited people under other people you have recruited in the past. This is the kind of thing that only makes sense in the world of MLM.

If you recruit a person, they should go under you. You should get the rewards for that work. It simply doesn’t make sense to give away those rewards to someone else. Thrive’s brochure is extremely lacking in details (as you can see), and it wastes value space with women in bikinis, beaches, hot air balloons, etc. Instead the Rewards Plan suggests that this Waiting Room concept allows for “very strategic team building.” (Tip: whenever you see “team” in MLM, substitute the words “pyramid” to describe the recruitment hierarchy.)

The compensation plan clearly focuses the rewards on people with the most volume in their downline, not sales to outside people. According to these FTC guidelines, that focus would appear to make Thrive a pyramid scheme. Here’s what the FTC says,

“Not all multilevel marketing plans are legitimate. If the money you make is based on your sales to the public, it may be a legitimate multilevel marketing plan. If the money you make is based on the number of people you recruit and your sales to them, it’s not. It’s a pyramid scheme. Pyramid schemes are illegal, and the vast majority of participants lose money.”

If you need more information on this, this video is very helpful:

Le-Vel Manufacturing Facebook Popularity?

One of the things that most people seem to complain about is how overzealous Le-Vel distributors flood their Facebook. It’s one thing if people are genuinely interested and sharing a product they love. It’s another thing when they coordinate all their distributors to flood Facebook all at once.

Someone passed along their “Rise and Thrive” attempt coming on Dec. 10th at 8AM CST. See this:

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Of course the Le-Vel leaders want to keep this very quite so that it seems like it is naturally going viral. Overall, it’s pretty harmless, but I’m not a fan of secret cult manipulations.

My Gift to You

If you’ve read this far, I appreciate your dedication. Whether you found what you were looking for or not in the article above, I want to help you with your financial situation. It’s what I do.

Here are two things you can do to put yourself in a better financial position:

For more visit my five minute financial fixes article. If neither of the above is helpful, I’m sorry. I appreciate you for just being here. The person recruiting you has a financial incentive to present only one side of the story. Kudos to you for searching for more information to make an informed decision.

Final Thoughts on Le-Vel Thrive

Between the extremely expensive products, dubious marketing, and what appears to be a pyramid scheme (see aforementioned FTC guidelines), I think it is clear that Le-vel Thrive is a scam. (For more on scams see: What is a Scam Anyway?)

I think consumers should make better use of $2000 or more a year… and certainly shouldn’t push others to spend that kind of money. Don’t try to convince yourself that a pyramid scheme is a legitimate business. Don’t try to convince yourself that you are helping people by inflicting a significant financial burden on them. If you are really interested in helping them, suggest some of the products that I mentioned in the article (or other equivalent ones from non-pyramid scheme companies) that are reasonably priced.

In each case, consumers found out years later that they were scammed out of hundreds millions of dollars (in aggregate). I agree with Former FTC Economist Peter Vander Nat, Ph.D. in calling for a federal pyramid scheme rule as the status quo is not effective in eliminating pyramid schemes. The damage is already done.

Lawyer Stuff: Regarding Updates (Added 4/10/2017)

It’s disappointing to me that I have to cover my butt with disclaimers. I believe we (USA) have freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

I often update articles as new information comes in. With long articles like this one, an update doesn’t mean the entire article is rewritten. Instead it typically means that I have more information that I deem is worth sharing in a specific section.

Some updates are minor. Noting their dates and times would extend this article needlessly.
Other updates are larger. As a courtesy to readers, I try to balance the timing of the update with the context of the update itself. This doesn’t mean that I do it 100% of the time.

My denotation of updates is meant as a convenience for consumers.

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  1. I got pulled into this by a really good friend because it worked wonders for her. My husband and I tried it and now I simply can’t afford to keep it up so am having to “wean” myself off all of these stimulants. Any advice would be GREATFULLY appreciated.
    I also wanted to ask, my husband and I have both had lower back pain for years. My husband was the worst and now he is PAIN FREE for the first time in 2 years but now we have stopped the patch (stopping one thing at a time) his pain is coming back.
    Could you recommend an alternative for whatever the hell has taken away our lower back pain that is in thrive?
    Appreciate your help and will try keep an eye on this post 🙂
    Thrive is overpriced, over stimulants that no human really needs to take!!!

    • Amy, the reduction in pain is coming from the white willow bark that is in their supplements. White willow contains salicin, which is an anti-inflammatory that has been proven to help with back pain. Willow bark has been used for 6000 years to treat pain, and works very similarly to aspirin but in far smaller doses. I would suggest that your husband looks into a willow bark supplement! You can also google “salicin sources” and find foods that naturally have them. You can get 3 months of white willow bark extract pills on Amazon for $15.

    • Thank you. Yes I looked into it and we have a natural pill called “Pain ease” and it has White Willow Bark in it among other things. Its working wonders ?

    • TJ said: “Amy, the reduction in pain is coming from the white willow bark that is in their supplements.”

      Not likely. Remember that this is a topical patch, not an oral supplement, and the company doesn’t disclose how much white willow bark is in the patch. The safe assumption is that the amount provided by the patch is insufficient to do anything.

  2. Amy B said: “I also wanted to ask, my husband and I have both had lower back pain for years. My husband was the worst and now he is PAIN FREE for the first time in 2 years but now we have stopped the patch (stopping one thing at a time) his pain is coming back.”

    As far as I can tell, there are no ingredients in any of the Thrive patches that would relieve chronic lower back pain, nor are any of their products advertised for such a purpose. The inevitable conclusion is that you are making a mistaken causal inference.

    Amy B said: “Could you recommend an alternative for whatever the hell has taken away our lower back pain that is in thrive?”

    Yes, consult with a licensed medical professional instead of soliciting medical advice from strangers on a personal finance blog.

    Allison Hanna said: “I am interested to know if you ever tried the product yourself.”

    God no (because I’m not an idiot who burns money on ridiculous scammy products from pyramid schemers).

    Alison Hanna said: “I have been using it for two weeks and it is everything it claims to be.”

    What exactly does it claim to be? And why are MLM scammers always so needlessly vague? Rhetorical question BTW; we know why.

    Alison Hanna said: “When a product is as effective as this one is, it is easy to jump in board spreading the word.”

    Again, effective for what? Plungers and Drano are effective for clearing backed up toilets, but that doesn’t make me want to run out and become a plumber or a Drano salesman.

    Alison Hanna said: “I am not expecting to get rich promoting Thrive…”

    That’s good. Keeping your expectations at zero will ensure that you won’t be disappointed when you not only fail to become rich but actually become poorer; while alienating yourself from friends and family, which is inevitable.

    Alison Hanna said: “…but I certainly am offended that you describe it as a scam.”

    ROFL! Feigned outrage is the MLMers stock and trade. A convenient diversion from actually having to justify the product/company.

    Alison Hanna said: “How is a product that does what it says, a scam?”

    That question should be reverse engineered to begin with the premise that it is a scam; therefore, how could it possibly do anything? And what exactly do “they” say it does? Amy B says it relieves lower back pain. Is that what you’re talking about? Claims like that which have absolutely no logical basis or supportive evidence and are prohibited by law?

  3. So I have read up a bit, I am sorry lazyman that you have a law suit against you.
    Here is my 8 week “Thrive Experience”
    I have put on 3kg (not lost weight)
    I am EXHAUSTED by the end of day 2 without the shake.
    I get jittery and a wired SPEED feeling a few minutes after having the shake….and that is about it.
    When I stopped the patches I went almost numb to emotions…..kind of plateaued. I am generally a happy go lucky person but this knocked me for six.
    When my husband stopped the patches….he went angry. MY lovely, caring, quiet, wouldn’t hurt a fly husband had 2 days of just being angry….WTF!!!
    We are now both off the patches fully and happy.
    NOW we have dropped to 1 pill a day instead of 2 and half a shake every 2 days instead of a whole one every 2 days.
    OMG!! I have NEVER taken anything “Natural” that I have had to wean myself off. Why should I have to do this. I have stopped even talking about it.
    My recommendation is that EVERYONE that even intends on becoming a promoter, do your bloody research before you start “Promoting” this product. I feel really bad for the couple of people I have signed up and have now told them that I am stopping and my reasoning as to why.
    This stuff IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU!!!
    You know how I know, PERSONAL RESEARCH on MY OWN BODY!! What are the long term effects of this stuff? Seriously, think of that before you take it!!!

    • I have never heard about anyone weaning themselves off of thrive .. or taking the product the way you explained. Sorry you have no clue what you are doing or talking about. Yes, I have gone off the product on a few occasions and the only side effect was I went back to being the tired run down person I was prior to thrive.

    • This is such a one sided article. What about all those people that feel great and lost a lot of weight with it? If it doesn’t work for you, then you taking it wrong, you have to talk to someone with the knowledge to see what you doing wrong and not immediately start bashing the company ant others. Not good

  4. Oh I forgot to add.
    The patch has White Willow Bark in it.
    Aspirin is made from White Willow Bark. Why do Le-Vel need to put ASPIRIN into something that is taken every day!!! Totally unnecessary if you ask me. THIS is why we had lost our lower back pain. This is why people have such a great response when they have “pain” issues with joint and inflammation etc…. because they are taking a daily PAIN KILLER!!!!
    Also don’t forget that it is a blood thinner.
    Did I say, TOTALLY UNNECESSARY!!

  5. Yougot Duped said: “I work in a Starbucks and my god have all these pyramid scheme people been flooding our stores to use as their “office”.”

    I’ve seen the same thing. In fact, I can spot them from across the store as soon as I walk in. Ratty clothes, outdated laptop, brochures spread across the table, reek of desperation and failure. I’d feel pity were it not for the fact that they are ruthless liars and predators, the lot of them.

  6. There is no MLM company that is worthy of their so called superior products. Only 1% make $. The rest loss an enormous amount of $ time and effort. They are the newest of cults and people are just flocking to them.

  7. A promoter used my son, husband, and granddaughter in a advertisement for Thrive in that it helps with cancer. It was done without our consent. It’s a terrible scam for all involved. Le-Vel can only hurt your body, just read the ingredients! The stimulants can cause you harm.

    • Hello Toni. I am sorry to hear what happened to your family. They seem to be a pyramid scam, who are only interested in making money. Do you still have the advertisement where they claim it helps with cancer? I am a college student doing research into thrive and I hope to help other people but I need evidence. Thank you and I hope you and your family are doing well. 🙂

  8. I have been on Thrive for 2 months now. I have lost 15 pounds, I am full of energy, I sleep better, my digestive system is on track for the first time in years. I know a woman with Lupus that has been taken off some of her medication because she no longer needs it thanks to Thrive. This product has helped so many people. And they never claim to cure anything. As a promoter, I’ve been trained and told, never tell someone that it heals anything, because that’s not what it was meant for. By giving you everything that your body actually needs, it makes you healthier, however that presents itself in your body is up to your body. The stimulants that you’re all making such a big deal about, is stuff like green coffee bean extract, you can find that in a refresher from Starbucks. And there’s about the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee. Almost anyone can make money selling Thrive. I put no effort into it, I get my Thrive for free, and I’ve made a couple hundred dollars. My upline and her husband sell Thrive for a living, their cars are paid for by the company, their house is paid for, they are financially independent, and Le-Vel has sent them on 6 free lifestyle getaways. Any product looks bad if you only look at the bad reviews. But the good experiences far outweigh the bad when it comes to Thrive.

    • I still didn’t say it cures anything. I said that for her, specifically, she has been able to stop taking so much medicine because of thrive. I never said hey take Thrive because it cures lupus. It is an individualized experience, everyone reacts differently.

    • Hahaha….true Sara, you didn’t specifically say it cured your friend with lupus, you just implied it did. Its like if i were to say; “My credit card number got stolen yesterday and the last place i used it was at McDonalds”. Im definitely not saying an employee at McDonalds stole my credit card, but im letting the reader come to their “own” conclusions based on how I lead them…Its how magicians make a living…oh, and lying politicians. When in doubt, speak in ways that create deniability, yet still in a misleading way.

      Good luck hocking this overpriced untested poison to your fiends and family.

    • Sounds like a distributor. Some of my friends are using it with awesome results they are distributors. I tried it for 7 weeks and quickly became tolerant to the stimulants and would have a horrible crash in the late afternoon. The patches don’t stick and the shakes are disgusting.

  9. I fully agree with SARA!!!! Thrive is a great product! Most people get to try it before they ever are asked to buy anything. If the person really likes the product they can buy and if not for any reason they don’t have to buy anything! Maybe the real scammer is you, just saying.

    • Barbara said: “I fully agree with SARA!!!!”

      What did “SARA!!!” say exactly that you agree with? That it alleviated her unnamed friend’s lupus? I hope not, because we know that’s complete BS, all-caps shouting and multiple superfluous exclamation points notwithstanding.

      Barbara said: “Thrive is a great product! Most people get to try it before they ever are asked to buy anything. If the person really likes the product they can buy and if not for any reason they don’t have to buy anything!”

      So what you’re saying is that buying the product is optional for the consumer? Is that supposed to be a revelation? A selling point? How does that differ from any other product? It’s notable that what you said doesn’t even apply to the company’s distributors, who do not have the option of not buying the product (i.e., that pesky old monthly auto-ship requirement). The product is not “great”. It has no demonstrable benefits whatsoever. It is laughable inert BS used as the admission ticket to entice desperadoes and gullible people into joining a corrupt pyramid scheme.

      Barbara: “Maybe the real scammer is you, just saying.”

      Nope. You and you ilk are the scammers, and there’s no maybe about it.

  10. My Thrive experience has been awesome!

    The only qualms I had with the company is that they: (1) have no customer support number so we can’t talk to a service rep or billing department, and (2) they shipped my order and FED-EX screwed up the address because I live in a newer apartment complex and its not on GPS yet. FED-EX blamed Le-Vel because the package was returned to the vendor at the request of the shipper. I therefore paid for a product I never received until my wife, a promoter, sent them a message and they resent everything.

    The issue was that because I never received anything initially I called my bank and had them reimburse me for the order. It didn’t affect Le-Vel because they still had their money, but I didn’t know that. So I tried to explain all of this, possibly prematurely, to them and then complained about them not having a billing department phone number so I could potentially pay them directly. In response to my criticism they cancelled my account.

    I will not be ordering from them again. I tried to be nice, I don’t order things online too often, my wife is a promoter, and because of a little constructive criticism they cancelled my account without notifying me – Le-Vel has bad business practices and needs to come out of the stone age with their customer service.

    • I suspect that bad service is built into their business model on purpose. Not having an easy way to redress consumer issues is a great way to pocket people’s cash. If they simply ignore their dissatisfied customers, they don’t have to pay refunds (or pay for adequate customer service support staff). A win for the company; a loss for consumers.

      And this isn’t an anomaly in MLM; its a cardinal rule.

    • I do have to say I agree with you on the aggravation with the lack of direct phone contact. I’ve had a few issues as a customer including an auto shop being sent after I’d cancelled it. I contacted customer support through the website, received a response with directions on how to get it returned, I followed the directions and had my money back 3 days later.

      Sara is an idiot, that’s a fact. I feel like I’m a walking contradiction because I use and actually really like what Thrive has done for me and yeah I mean everyone has an opinion… something about them being like assholes or something, I just don’t push mine on everyone around me. My opinion, not my asshole. I guess in your standards I’m dumb for “falling for the scheme” but honestly, I got my very first week of Thrive for free and it was my choice to purchase it or not. I liked how it made me feel so I went for it. I have the money to purchase it so why not? It’s also the only multivitamin I’ve ever taken that hasn’t caused severe stomach issues so again, why not?

      I do appreciate how angry everyone seems to be over something as small as an opinion.

      LazyMan, I wouldn’t recommend jumping off any bridges.

  11. It’s America and people are free to choose. Your opinion is worth as much as an old shoe. You have failed to mention anything about how how the body absorbs nutrients. Those cheap vitamins are just sitting in your GI tract . They should sue you for this one-side, and poorly researched pile of garbage…

  12. Well you know, I’m not gonna get into it but it’d like to point out that without proof that you “could be sued” by this company and your having a go fund me… you could be scamming all of these people. ?

  13. I became a promoter about a month ago. I truly put effort into introducing the product to others because my husband and I actually love it.. I was brought in my a friend that was able to purchase my startup kit for me, so I got to start for free. Now, I have done nothing but spend money trying to make money(that is not how a job is supposed to work -first red flag).. My husband and I could never afford to purchase these products at the prices listed on the website so I tried hard to get two people to purchase a package a piece so we could get ours free. I truly believed in the product. It never happened, no one could afford it and I understood.. But now, I feel horrible for even trying to, like the article said “throw two people under the bus financially to get free product”. Im glad I didnt make a sale so that I didnt actually harm anyone financially.. But I genuinely feel bad for signing up a few others as promoters. They are counting on making money and changing their lives, and I seriously do not want to tell them “im sorry you guys, I got us into a scam”…

    • An MLM is a really good way to lose friends. Hopefully you can Salvage your friendships. I immediately put distance between myself and anyone involved in 1.

  14. If this business is really killing it, like they say they are, then why are they meeting with growth capital investors and high interest rate lenders to finance the business?

    • I assume the owners are trying to get as much money out of the business before it tanks. If you look up both owners, they are professional MLM creators. They work the MLMs until the market gets saturated (or in the case of one of the owners, they get shut down for fraud) they then pack up, sell everything, screw over those involved in the business and move on to the next marketing catch phrase they can build pyramid scheme around. “YOU THRIVIN’, or just SURVIVIN’?

    • Lmfaoo I am dead okay!! @ “you thrivin’ or just survivin’”

  15. You have some impressive data here. while some may agree with you. I can assure you; Thrive a scam? I THINK NOT. I have been a thriver for over a year now. with the super fast absorption rate the DFT’s provide me and the ingredients filling my bodies nutritional gaps , I feel better then ever. Thrive is not a weight loss supplement. from personal experience I can tell you the way it works . is though your metabolism. it put the nutrients into your body that you are lacking, getting your metabolism back on track. And as a result your body experiences. all day energy. weight support , joint support and much more. you can get all the proof you need by visiting Le-vels fan page at [Editor’s Note: Website redacted.]

    • Anecdotes are not evidence.

      You are a sucker who will realize that you are being taken for a ride and hopefully nobody else is involved. You act like a cult member that is trying to push your nonsense onto others.

      I do not pity you, nope, I laugh at your blatant stupidity for falling for something that does not work.

  16. To the Thrive promoter who posts as “Rebecca”:

    The unmistakable impression one gets from reading your posts is that (a) you are either a Thrive distributor or someone working directly for the company as a troll; and (b) you aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, putting it mildly. The latter goes hand in hand with being an MLM distributor because, let’s be realistic, the majority of the people who are involved in these scams are desperate, naïve, uneducated, and of modest means.

    Whether you are a Thrive distributor or a fictitious character concocted by Le-Vel doesn’t really concern me. What I care about is logic, factual accuracy, honesty, and a willingness to learn. You have failed woefully in all 4 categories – that’s why you get a hard time, and deservedly so. Lazy Man is trying to help consumers to protect their money and not get scammed — a very noble goal without question. You are interfering with that aim by posting misinformation. That in itself would be forgivable if you were to come around after being corrected, but you do not – you double down on BS.

    If that is in fact you, then you must first accept responsibility for getting raked over the coals here because you are legally and contractually obligated to be forthcoming about your identity and connection to Le-Vel when participating in online forums, but instead posted as “Rebecca” and denied being a distributor, even when your M.O. overwhelmingly indicates otherwise.

    Now, you might deny being Kristina, but it doesn’t matter because what I have to say applies in general to all of the Kristinas caught up in MLM scammery, which is this: being a woman or a mother doesn’t grant you immunity from criticism; having a special needs child doesn’t exempt you from moral responsibility; and being poor and desperate doesn’t give you the right to exploit and lie to other people in an attempt to improve your standard of living.

    I know that being a mother can be challenging; and of a child with special needs, especially so. Being poor and desperate is also a heavy cross to bear, and I understand why people break the law and/or do morally/ethically corrupt things in an effort to survive. In fact, if someone resorted to being a prostitute, drug dealer, or burglar to get by, I could wrap my head around that moral dilemma and refrain from judging them too harshly — if they were clear-eyed about what they are doing and why they were doing it.

    What I can’t stand is the constant deception and misinformation with MLM; the unbridled greed, belligerence, and holier-than-thou attitude of their most ardent (and most blindingly ignorant) adherents; the pretense that they should be praised for royally F-ing people over with destructive pyramid schemes and outrageously overpriced voodoo elixirs. MLMers seem to think that it is their God-given right to prey on those among us who are the weakest – poor, gullible, sick, desperate, unsuspecting, and well-meaning; to rob Peter to pay Paul; to pass the buck by giving their misery to someone else.

    I’d suggest that all the Kristina’s out there should simply be dead honest when they go on blogs and post about Thrive, but that wouldn’t be realistic because honesty is antithetical to MLM, and potential recruits, who are already very wary and dismissive of MLMs, would run the other way. So instead, the best advice I can give is to walk away from MLM and never look back. Find an honest profession and one that pays at least minimum wage, unlike every MLM in history. Or find a dishonest profession, like sticking people up at gunpoint, but drop the pretense of co-opting the moral high ground and pretending to be smart.

  17. Hey Lazy Man, so you know, I found ya out of curiosity. If there was anything out there to help educate people who are not irretrievably stupid like my siblings, who are caught up in MLM scams.

    My Googling motivation on Le-vel was inpired by an invitation to my sister’s house this past weekend. She hasn’t called in over 10 years, or visited, or dropped me a line on Facebook like the rest of my dumbskull siblings, but I knew what she was up to. As soon as she answered the door dressed like she’s about to leave for a barbecue she said “Hey… Welcome to my lifestyle!” I laughed, staring at her bare stomach in the dead of winter, but she brushed it off. It took somewhere between 10 to 15 minutes before she started her pitch for Thrive, but she made sure to mention the word lifestyle and thrivin’ about 5 times each before. I felt like I walked into Le-vel’s corporate headquarters!

    She started her pitch with “So, are you interested to know why I’m so positive with so much energy?”

    I said jokenly “Thrive? I’m not interested.”

    My sister “Oh… You know. Well then you know how good it is.”

    I then recommended that we change the subject, and her response was “OMG… I have to go shopping! The stores are about to close! I’m so sorry, honey.” My wife looked at me in disbelief, and told her thanks for inviting us over for 15 minutes.

    I was expecting my sis to go all out on trying to push this junk on us in hope we would sign-up, but I guess she got wind from my other sister on how she couldn’t talk me into becoming a Herbalife distributer years ago.

    Anyway, thanks for putting this out there, Lazy Man. And the comments from your intelligent readers! It wont help my sisters, but it will help others. 🙂

    • Typo… Meant numbskulls. Before the edit it was dumb siblings. And an update on the one from this weekend (had a 3 day… totally screwed my head up), our decline seemed to have pushed her to post twice about Thrive on Facebook today.

      Something tells me she wont be doing this for long.

  18. Oh
    Mah
    Lawd
    This has been beyond entertaining…I was “approached” online by a friend about this crap and had to see what it was all about…I was polite to her with her claims and let her know what I personally knew about nutrition etc and just for the good ole shits and giggles I found this…..Thank you for providing this information and calling out what is really going here!
    Much love to us ‘survivin without thrivin”!!

  19. Guys – let us not forget, the founder of this company has been accused of credit card fraud in the past. He was able to get a lawyer to help him get the public record of that complaint somewhat removed, but if you google the terms “Jason Camper Fraud” just take a look for yourself and what comes up.

  20. These gentleman or haters are probably all upset because they are Vitamin Reps. There is no need for such hateful comments. People are entitled to their own opinion. You don’t know them personally to know whether or not they sell Thrive. I just received my order and I’m looking forward to starting it for several reasons. I have no intentions of promoting, selling or distributing it. Those of you that are so hateful, I feel sorry for your significant others because you must live such a nasty, horrible and hateful life. You seem to have so much time on your hands to sit on the computer and beat up on someone that believes in a product that is beneficial to her. Leave her be and go on with your miserable lives!

    • Rose said: “These gentleman or haters are probably all upset because they are Vitamin Reps.”

      That’s a moronic accusation; almost as stupid as capitalizing “Vitamin Reps” as though it’s a proper name. But then again literacy isn’t the MLMers strong suit is it?

      Rose said: “There is no need for such hateful comments… you must live such a nasty, horrible and hateful life… go on with your miserable lives.”

      Apparently your hypocrisy filter is broken. Mean spirited SOB!

      Rose said: “People are entitled to their own opinion.”

      Unless the opinion happens to be anti-Thrive, in which case you try to crap all over them. Hypocrite!

      Rose said: “I feel sorry for your significant others…”

      No you don’t. It’s obvious that you’re completely lacking in compassion and empathy (and commonsense). Your ham-fisted trolling is hauntingly reminiscent of that degenerate scammer Susan (aka Jodi Unruh).

  21. How can I email lazyman personally? I may be able to help with the legal part and offset the financial costs hugely.

  22. I need to remind you people – go to GOOGLE, search these words together “Jason Camper Fraud”

    You will see that the founder of this Le-Vel business has been suspected of credit card fraud in the past.

  23. Wow, Am I glad I stumbled upon this website.
    I have a friends daughter who is touting this and begging me to give it a shot. Shes been in and out of trouble for quite a while and its nice seeing her so positive and upbeat about something again. I wanted to help her out and maybe lose a little weight too! (lol) but knowing personally the pitfalls of MSM, I wanted to do some “Googling” first.
    Well, now that I see there’s stimulants in it, I know I cant take it and will tell her so but I’m confused about how she is making a “boatload” of money. She doesn’t have tons of friends with disposable income and I see that her team leader (or whatever shes called) has posted on her timeline that shes already received two 4000 cash bonuses, an I-pad and is on her way to a new car. Shes been selling this for 2 months, how is that even possible? It it for real or just another way to suck someone else in?

  24. I have a love/hate relationship with Thrive. I used to love the shakes, because I could drink one and focus to clean house, etc. That’s about all I liked. Everything they make is full of stimulants…pretty much every product except their probiotic lol. I couldn’t handle it; got bad tension headaches.

    My friend, who is a promoter, has developed horrible anxiety but refuses to get off Thrive. (It increased ten-fold on Thrive.) She now takes anti-anxiety meds and still takes Thrive products…all of them. She refuses to acknowledge the stimulants she is consuming. Her anxiety is so bad, it prevents them for, taking trips, etc.

    Thrive recently came out with a nootropic. I received an email stating since i ordered shakes, I could order the new produce early. I couldn’t find anything about the ingredients. I asked my promoter friend, and she said they hadn’t posted the ingredients yet. She added they have such confidence in their products being all natural, high quality. I told her belladonna and hemlock are natural, too. No way will I order something that has no ingredients listed. She got it to me a few days later…of course it has caffeine in it and is another proprietary blend. The patch, pills, shakes, activate, boost, expand…all have stimulants. Insane. I emailed the company complaining about not listing ingredients before soliciting orders…zero response.

    I’m pretty much done with them. I can find an alternative to their shakes. Everything else gives me headaches.

    As far as the white willow bark goes, I would add I buy a white willow bark cream from our health food store. It really helps with tension headaches, etc. I just rub it into my neck and shoulders. I use that or magnesium gel.

  25. Lmao I love this thread. Hate thrive but I wanted to point out what ms Rebecca had to say about her nursing duties. Being a nurses assistant you clearly are practicing out of your scope of practice. Being a student earning her bachelors of science of nursing at one of the best nursing schools in the country I have learned what to delegate to the aids. Please don’t confuse people on here. Let it be known that aids actually are not allowed to apply topical medications. Medications are the RNs job, pills, injections, topical, transdermal , no aid should ever administer medications any of these ways. Also, aids are not allowed to insert Foley catheters. Hospitals are at risk for infections due to Foley catheters because of aseptic technique so you are not in control of that. RNs are. Also, why the hell would you think an aid would be in charge of wound dressing changes? Completely FALSE. Lastly, I don’t know what you mean about “taking care of colostomy bags” but no, that is not in your scope of practice either. Please don’t confuse people on here saying you have all these credentials when I’m busting my ass to actually earn my BSN. Thanks.

  26. Thrive recently popped up on my social media. I was curious because I’m a tired mom. The promise of more energy and losing that pregnancy weight attracted me. But then I found out it was $150 for 30 days. What the what? So I didn’t reply back. But then the person said, “Hey, I’ll send you a three day trial!” So I said sure. The first day, I followed the directions exactly. I felt so unbelievably sick. I was dizzy. I was nauseated. All I wanted to do was lay in bed. I couldn’t do much else honestly. I contacted the seller and they said, “Drink lots of water and tomorrow, take one pill instead of two because of the caffeine.” I am no stranger to caffeine. I’ve had lots of caffeine beverages. I’ve never felt so sick like I did with Thrive. So either they have INSANE amounts of caffeine or it’s something else in their stuff. Plus, the shake tasted and felt like drinking chalk. I started googling Thrive and found this article so I thought I’d share my experience. I’m so grateful I had a free sample and didn’t throw away $150.

  27. Can you comment about pruvit? Taking a ketone powder and mixing in different ways? Believed to be a pyramid scheme. Thank you!!

    • Are you asking about the ketone product or the mlm?

      You can buy KetoCaNa on Amazon hassle free which is the same product that the pyramid scheme Pruvit uses to entice you to join and recruit for them.

    • Pruvit shows a retail price of $85. You can buy for as low as $56 on Amazon with free prime shipping. Why pay more than you have to?

  28. It works for me. Sounds like alot of fat computer geeks angry about getting sued.

    [Editor’s Response: I’m confused, you seem to be calling yourself an angry fat geek with your name. I wasn’t happy about getting sued for giving my opinion in answering a reader’s question, but hey I won, so score one for Freedom of Speech and another one for the little guy against Big Corporate lawyers, right?]

    If you don’t want to try something then don’t and if you do then do. Make the decision on your own and don’t be swayed either way buy pointless, childish, back and forth banter.

    [Editor’s Response: There’s no back and forth banter about Mott’s apple sauce. There’s a reason why Truth in Advertising informs people of what they should know. I don’t think you would say that if you want to try off bridge then do it or don’t do it. I think you’d want to know about things like gravity before you do it.]

    I am glad I don’t care enough to follow up and read the replies that will follow as I feel I have already wasted enough time I will never get back on this subject. Hope everyone that reads any of this does inevitably make their own choices in their own life.

    [Editor’s Response: Yes, everyone gets to make their own choices, but people should be informed to make those decisions. There’s nothing wrong with information.]

    • Ha!! Show me the recipts. I know of no less than 10 people who are trying to hawk this crap right now and so far THEY are all still fat, and sort of stupid looking since they all wear these stupid bandaids. CONGRATS on your win in court man, keep fighting the good fight, I am praying for the day another idiot is not on facebook raving about thriving and desperately trying to recruit more moonies. Honestly – it is beyond annoying, mainly because not ONE of them has lost an ounce. Probably because they ALL have bubble gut from all the caffeine and then run for the Cheetos to make it stop! Not sure – but ZERO visible improvement in ANY of them and it has been months of this incessant caterwauling. I have blocked most of them, but they keep popping up like some bad “whack – a mole” game.

  29. @Scott:
    Scott says
    June 4, 2017 at 11:10 pm

    Tina, where do you suppose all your support will be when the bottom falls out as it almost always does with these scams? Do you really think they are going to carry you? LOL! I supplement too, but I use all the genuine artifacts, not somebody’s magic”proprietary” blend. I spend a fraction of what that crap costs. I don’t worry about weight loss, but then I don’t couch surf. It’s called exercise, try it. As for “Thrive” the emporer has no clothes. Save your shill work for those simple enough to buy it. NONE of the people I know are taking this crap have lost an ounce, and I know one distributor who can’t take the product because it caused her heart to race.. Le-vel, when the pizza calls your name, eat it and add a second patch. Please LOL!

    Well, Scott, If the bottom falls out, the bottom falls out. I don’t expect anybody to “carry me”. But you can bet that I’ll be looking underground for some of that Thrive if that happens!
    I have a full time job, so I’ll be financially ok. Hoping the bottom doesn’t fall out with that! See my “crap” above. Since you are a “genuine artifact user”, add it up. What’d you get? But none of those “genuine artifacts” worked for me. I didn’t feel any healthier being on them. See anything healthier going on. Just my opinion here…

    You see, I worry about weight loss. I don’t feel good about what I see in the mirror.

    Yes, exercise. I am doing that now. I have the motivation and energy to do it now. Thanks to Thrive. Heart races? Everybody’s heart races. I check my HR and I run about 75 to 85. Higher when I exercise. Now, keep in mind that every BODY is different. “Stuff” affects people in different ways. Sorry Thrive didn’t work out for your friend. Good for you in your supplement spending, and comparing it to what a female actually needs. I’d say it’s a liiiitle more expensive than what your manly-man “genuine artifacts” cost. Sorry you don’t know NONE of the people have lost weight. SURELY they’ve lost an ounce, no?
    I’ve lost my weight because I got up off my ASS and wanted to do something for my body. Thrive gave me the energy to do that.

    Let’s see, next:
    Oh, yes, VOGEL. BTW, it’s funny how all of you cronies on here stay anonymous (is Scott even your real name??). Am I the only one that everybody knows who I am now?? Lol

    Vogel says
    June 5, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    Tina Crowder (LeVel Distributor) said: “I’m on Thrive and I’ll never go back to popping 12 supplements a day or taking Big Pharma pills for emotional and mental stress, then energy shots to pick me up midday… So keep blogging. Eat those chips. Drink those sodas….Maybe you DO need to get on Thrive and be happy again. Like the rest of us Thrivers!”

    VOGEL says: Funny, I don’t detect a scintilla of happiness in your comments — more so because of the snotty attitude than your admission that you have been taking psychiatric medication. Caffeine and energy boosters are probably the last thing you need. Admonishing people to gorge on chips and sodas simply because they disagree with your nonsense about Thrive is hostile and sociopathic.

    Well, Vogel, read all of the above. This crazy chick IS probably cray-cray. She’s still on Thrive! So be it. But let me re-cap for you:
    I really don’t see where I was being “snotty”?? Please let me know how/where in my post? YOU calling me snotty? Touche, times a million for you.

    Tina Crowder (LeVel Distributor) said: “Oh yeah, I added my monthly spending budget up on supplements, coffee, sodas, energy shots, junk snacks. $200 in supplements (store brand, Dr Axe). Didn’t feel any healthier. $100-150 on the rest. $350 total. Yeah, I think I’ll stay on Thrive for just $5 a day! Shocker huh? Those are my facts. And I did my comparisons to supplemental facts.”

    Vogel: Not shocking at all that you would make such a statement, but it doesn’t seem to be the lEast bit factual. Considering your income bracket (a bottom-rung MLM distributor making sub poverty-level wages), you don’t strike me as the kind of person who could afford to spend $200 a month on supplements (and if you did you’d be crazy), so instead it seems that you are inventing this scenario out of thin air in a weak attempt to concoct a misleading value proposition for Thrive. But obviously, you can’t compare Thrive to a soda, since Thrive is not a beverage; nor to snacks of any kind because Thrive is not food either (it has no calories); nor even to supplements because Thrive is a patch and does not reliably deliver bioavailable nutrients. The comparison is asinine and misleading – par for the course for MLM.

    You know nothing about my income bracket. That wasn’t the “last” bit factual (least, Vogel, l-E-ast). Nope, not the lease bit factual. I made a statement and it’s true in my book. Ask your buddy Scott if this is true. I’m sure he know’s about Dr Axe products and how organically expensive they really are. Please see my “stuff” list above. You’re not worth re-typing it to.
    I am able to spend the money on what I was spending before Thrive. Thrive works for me and my “poverty” stricken bank account thanks me.
    I have a JOB. 2 of them now. I design houses and billboards. I love my job. I’ve even worked in construction in building houses. Loved all aspects of construction and architecture, so I got a degree in it. What was that about overty-level wages??
    I’m not proposing Thrive on anyone. If they want to try it, I can get it for them. The rest is up to them. Like it was for me. And so on and so on.
    I DO compare Thrive to soda, because it IS a beverage. I love my shake. It replaced my coffee. Better energy. And again, coffee, sodas, will also have “adverse health effects” on some people. Beacuse every body is different.
    Thrive tides me over so I won’t snack throughout the morning before lunch. Kinda the concept of Thrive…
    Of course, “Thrive is not food either, (it has no calories). Really? I’m glad it has no calories, because I’d be walking more trying to burn those suckers off. As stated above. It does tide me over through the morning and keeps a lasso in on what I NEED to eat.
    Like I said, it’s how I feel, not how everyone else feels.
    The patch. Slap it on and go. Thrive On.
    I don’t want the other caffeine’s out there. Let alone “dirt cheap” ones. I was a cup of coffee drinker a day in the morning. Not really a coffee snob, like you made yourself sound like. I just needed a wake me up beverage. That was it. Then maayybe an energy shot, if I needed to punch deadlines in the face. Or it was a MONDAY.
    A “snake oil” patch? There’s capsules, a drink, and a patch. I can’t compare any of them to this “snake oil” and neither can you. But I bet I’m closer to comparing it to you, because I’m on Thrive. And I ain’t gonna get off.

    Vogel: If value is what one is looking for, then they should follow LazyMan’s advice and buy cheap caffeine pills.

    Really? How about this. I tried them many years ago and I wanted to climb the walls! It gave me the awfulest, jitteriest, moodiest, most nervous feeling that I never took them again. Dang right. CHEAP is what they are. Highly effective to what? An elephant? Pennies on the dollar. Ha! I’m sure they are! CHEAP is what comes to mind again. Please, do not compare Thrive to that shit. Excuse my R word. But there was no other word to describe it.

    And last, a con-game. Ok. And?
    Isn’t a casino?
    Lottery tickets?
    Suck your money in, suck you dry, and spit you out even more poverty stricken than before.
    But eventually, one day, after the poor man has scraped his last penny off the street, maybe one day, he’ll hit it big. Isn’t it like that with every other blasted thing? You take chances. You believe. You win some, you lose some.
    I think I’ll pass on all that and just keep putting my money in Thriving.

    Now, excuse me while I go take a walk and prepare for the next scathing post about dang Thrive!

    • Tina Crowder (LeVel Distributor) said: “Yes, exercise. I am doing that now. I have the motivation and energy to do it now. Thanks to Thrive.”

      So you weight loss is directly attributable to exercise and not Thrive, obviously. Nonetheless, you were perfectly content in your previous post to mislead people into thinking that Thrive was responsible. How you could possibly derive motivation from Thrive is unfathomable.

      Tina Crowder (LeVel Distributor) said: “Oh, yes, VOGEL. BTW, it’s funny how all of you cronies on here stay anonymous (is Scott even your real name??). Am I the only one that everybody knows who I am now?? Lol”

      Funny to a greenhorn dolt on their first day of blog surfing perhaps. Par for the course for a normal person however (i.e., people on blogs create user names and do not typically use their actual name). There’s nothing remotely funny about it. And WTF does the user name have to do with the factual validity of someone’s argument? Nothing! Another red herring on your part, dodging the issues.

      Tina Crowder (LeVel Distributor) said: “I really don’t see where I was being “snotty”?? Please let me know how/where in my post? YOU calling me snotty?”

      It was comments like these that qualified as “snotty”:

      “For those of you on here who have posted all this negativity…”

      “For these few Debbie Downer’s on here…”

      “So keep blogging. Eat those chips. Drink those sodas. And keep trying to roar about something that YOU have not even TRIED. Maybe you DO need to get on Thrive and be happy again. Like the rest of us Thrivers!”

      Debunking your BS scam product/company is not negativity (it is in fact a valuable public service). Posting critical comments about the BS nature of the product doesn’t make someone a “Debbie Downer”; it simply makes your life (trying to swindle people with a snakeoil pyramid scheme) more difficult. You have no rebuttal to the criticism so instead you call the critics names, suggest that they are negative people, and, like a fool, try to condemn them to drinking chips and soda. Like I said, you don’t seem happy at all. You seem to be seething inside and can barely keep your smiley MLM game face plastered on.

      Tina Crowder (LeVel Distributor) said: “You know nothing about my income bracket.”

      I beg to differ. If you’re flogging this crap, and earning the typical sub-poverty-level remuneration associated with MLMs like Le-Vel, then you’re obviously hurting. If the point were important to you, you could try to prove me wrong by submitting your latest tax return and income statement from Le-Vel showing that you’re one of those incredibly rare exceptions to the rule. Otherwise, you can spare us the posturing.

      Tina Crowder (LeVel Distributor) said: “I’m not proposing Thrive on anyone.”

      Your denial is BS and does not reconcile with comments you made, such as:

      “And keep trying to roar about something that YOU have not even TRIED. Maybe you DO need to get on Thrive and be happy again.”

      “don’t knock it until you try it.”

      Tina Crowder (LeVel Distributor) said: “I never stated that Thrive helped me with emotional and mental stress. “OR taking Big Pharma pills”, is what I said. This is not stating that Thrive has helped me with that.”

      What you said was the following:

      “I’m on Thrive and I’ll never go back to popping 12 supplements a day or taking Big Pharma pills for emotional and mental stress.”

      Now that you were called out for making what appears to be a misleading and illegal statement (suggesting that Thrive enabled you to go off psychiatric meds), you are back pedaling and denying it, saying the following:

      “I chose to not take Big Pharma pills anymore because I just didn’t feel right on them.”

      So what you are really saying is that Thrive had nothing to do with going off your psychiatric meds; you just simply decided to stop taking them. Your initial statement (just like the BS one you made attributing your weight loss to Thrive) was clearly misleading, and intentionally so. Your back-pedaling confirms what we knew all along – that Thrive is utterly useless. BTW, you should go back on your meds ASAFP.

    • Tina is a “waist” of time, lol. She’s a cheap hack. Be thankful she’s not in your family or friend circle or she would be attempting to guilt you into buying her bullsh*t or signing on to the pyramid UNDER her. Yeah, you keep on thriving old girl. You deserve it.

  30. I forgot one other important note:

    Tina Crowder: I’m on Thrive and I’ll never go back to popping 12 supplements a day or taking Big Pharma pills for emotional and mental stress, then energy shots to pick me up midday.

    [Editor’s Response: Truth in Advertising also points out that “salespeople may very well be skewed.” I’d like to remind you that as a salesperson, you have a duty to adhere to the FTC Endorsement Guidelines, which means, in my interpretation, you can’t suggest that Thrive is an alternative to emotional and mental stress pharmaceutical products. That may be even be an FDA violation.]

    I never stated that Thrive helped me with emotional and mental stress. “OR taking Big Pharma pills”, is what I said. This is not stating that Thrive has helped me with that. I chose to not take Big Pharma pills anymore because I just didn’t feel right on them. Cry, take a pill. Sleep. Wake up. Cry again. Take a pill. Viscious cycle. I had a good reason to cry over life changing events, but “poor me” had had enough of the pills.
    [Editor’s Note: “In my interpretation”]. Yep, YOUR interpretation. Dually noted.
    FDA violation for what again? Nice try.

    skew
    skyo?o
    verb
    past tense: skewed; past participle: skewed
    suddenly change direction or position.
    “the car had skewed across the track”

    Skewed? If this is what it feels like to be skewed, then bring it! I love this sudden change and my direction and position is forward and positive now.
    Time for sleep, that I never used to have in the past 2 years.
    Goodnight, fellas…

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